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You've hit midlife and you're thinking about what happens next.
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This is such a common conversation that I have with my friends, so maybe I want to try something different.
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Or maybe I'm worried about retirement and I'm worried about having income for that retirement and I'm worried about having income for that.
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Maybe you have always wanted to blank insert thing you've always wanted to do and yet sometimes we kind of say up, doesn't work, don't know how, can't do it too quickly, maybe we can do it, and maybe we can even do it alongside whatever job or career we have.
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Now to see how it works.
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That's what we're going to talk about today.
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Stick with me.
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Welcome to Mind your Midlife, your go-to resource for confidence and success.
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Unlike most advice out there, we believe that simply telling you to believe in yourself or change your habits isn't enough to wake up excited about life or feel truly confident in your body.
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Each week, you'll gain actionable strategies and oh my goodness powerful insights to stop feeling stuck and start loving your midlife.
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This is the Mind your Midlife podcast.
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The last two episodes of Mind your Midlife have been my conversation with Shannon Russell about your second act and then my conversation with you about money mindset and the powerful way that the way we feel about money and think about money affects our choices and our success.
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And if we put all those together, we have a nice little mini series going.
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So go check out episodes 32 and 33 if you haven't already, and this week we're continuing that.
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What if you have been thinking about something?
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You have this idea for your second act, but you're not quite sure about getting started.
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Are you holding yourself back?
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What's the hold up in doing it?
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What if you could start that new idea, that next thing alongside what you're doing now?
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You're in midlife.
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You're in your 40s, your 50s, your 60s.
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You maybe have a bit more time outside of your day-to-day commitments that allow you to give something different a try.
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Now what you're going to hear me talk about with my guest today is we often hold ourselves back from doing that, and there are a few different reasons we might hold ourselves back.
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So I'm excited that we're going to have this discussion and, let me just say, in the Patreon community this week, I'm going to provide some further coaching on how to eliminate some of these blocks that you're going to hear us talking about today on the episode.
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So make sure that you've gone to patreoncom slash mind your midlife and clicked join for free, so that you can grab that as well.
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My guest today, limor Bergman-Gross, is a leadership coach working a lot to empower women in tech to reclaim their power.
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A lot of times, women in leadership roles might be feeling stuck or feeling frustrated.
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She walks them through a process helping them to take control of their career growth, and so this is going to be a fun conversation.
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Welcome, limor.
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Thank you so much for having me.
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Okay, so let's dive in.
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How did you end up working with women as a leadership coach?
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That's a great question, I think you know.
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Let's say it was a process, it was a multi-year process and you know from I don't know about you, but from a lot of times, looking people, looking outside, it seems like, oh, I have an epiphany and one day I decided that's what I want to do.
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But in most cases it's not.
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This it's not a case, right?
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I mean, uh, I, uh, I was working in tech, in software development industry, for over 20 years.
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I was an engineer and then I was a leader and I was many times the only woman in the room or one of very, very few.
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The more I grew in my career, I saw less and less women, less role models.
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So I wanted to support other women and I try to do that as part of my role, both officially, like women that they managed, or trying to hire more women, and unofficially, right, I mentored pro bono.
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I did different things and eventually I realized it took me several years, as I said, but I realized that that's actually I really enjoy that and I feel like it's a mission of mine and I just want to do it.
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Yep.
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So we both have interesting stories moving in and out of various careers and things, and so what we're going to talk about today is the idea of, as we head towards retirement as midlife women, we're thinking ahead.
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What are we going to do?
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Having multiple streams of income might make really good sense, and so tell me a little bit more about why that's really a good choice for someone.
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For sure.
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I think that, first of all, you can work until retirement.
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But, to be honest, in the area that I was working in tech, but to be honest, in the area that I was working in in tech it's not trivial to work until retirement, even if you want to.
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Because, let's be frank, I mean, there is ageism in many industries and when you become older, you may be judged right.
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I mean, you know, cheryl, there are times that I was managing people that were 20 years younger than me, even more, and I felt okay, but like, at some point you maybe looked as oh, she's old, she's outdated, even if you're not, so there's ageism.
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But also, like, as we age at least I don't know about you, I'll be happy to hear that but I felt like, wow, that's like I've done that for so many years and I feel like I don't want to do it anymore and I don't want this rigidity of a full-time job anymore.
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I want more flexibility, I want more freedom.
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That's, I think, the first.
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I'm sorry to interrupt you.
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I did not mean to interrupt you, but I want to react to that because I think it's very valid and one of the biggest, should I say, issue, one of the biggest concerns that my coaching clients or even just friends that I'm chatting with come up with is they're feeling burned out, and that's what you're describing is I'm tired of doing this all day and, and maybe it's kind of a practical burnout, like I'm just tired of the schedule, or maybe it's much deeper emotional issue, but we're we're we're getting burned out sometimes, right, yeah, we're getting burned out and also I think we age and things that were okay in our 30s maybe are less good for us in our 50s or 60s.
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So for me I felt like, oh my God, I cannot do it anymore.
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I need to do something else.
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If you live corporate like when you're in corporate you have a single source of income, right?
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I recommend today women that they coach to start actually something on the side.
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I wish I've done that.
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Actually, I don't know, have you?
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Have you done that when you worked?
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Have you?
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had a side.
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Yes, I do multiple things now.
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Yes, so why do you say that?
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What makes you say that you recommend that?
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Yeah, say that.
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What makes you say that?
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You recommend that?
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Yeah, for me the switch from being an employee to being a business owner was scary, because I decided one day that I'm going to stop what I'm doing.
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I mean it was related to a move but I decided like, okay, I'm going to stop everything I've done till this day and I'm going to start a business.
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First I wasn't sure exactly what I'm going to do.
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I knew like sort of.
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But also it's like going from a hundred to zero, right, I mean, you go for having a steady income to nothing.
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And we all know that building a business takes time.
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It doesn't happen overnight.
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I think.
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Also, when you are working, you know people.
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So it's kind of even easier in a way, like you have a lot of connections and you know, because you're kind of you know, working in organizations, you know people you work with or people you worked in the past and you know people can refer you, whatever.
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So lots of pluses, less stress.
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You'd have more connections.
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I like that and I think sometimes so I do multiple things Now, as I was just saying.
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I still do some corporate training and sometimes I think maybe we tell ourselves that if we're still doing the thing we were previously doing, then we're not doing the new thing well, or something like that.
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There's like a message in there that is self-sabotaging sometimes, which I don't think is true at all.
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Yeah, personally, I mean, I believe in continuously learning and evolving.
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So I think that for me, as long as I feel I bring value and I enjoy what I'm doing, it's good.
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If I stop enjoying or I feel like, oh, that's not something I want to do, or maybe I'm not at my best, then it's time to stop.
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And you know, cheryl, I'll tell you another thing the more I coach, for example, in my coaching business, the more I coach, the more clarity I get to who do I want to serve.
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The thing is, when you start a coaching business, for example, you serve different people and there is this at the beginning, like want to get as many clients as you can, and you say, oh, I can help everyone.
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The thing is that I felt like it's better to really decide who you want to serve and what specific challenges they face.
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So you bring your best.
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Yes.
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I wonder if you relate to that.
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I really, really do, and anybody who's building your own business right now, listen up.
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I hired a coach to help me revamp the podcast this winter and that's where a new name came out of that and it's been going well and I'm super happy with how it turned out.
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But the reason that I reached out for help, well, there's two reasons.
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Number one I think anybody can benefit from coaching and coaches know that right, coaches have coaches too.
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But number two, I knew that my challenge was exactly what you're describing figuring out exactly who I'm talking to and what do they need Because I absolutely fell into the trap of these are things that any woman would like to know, and why would I limit and not speak to everyone?
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Everyone would want to know and that's valid, but it wasn't working and maybe and if you're listening right now, maybe this makes sense to you Maybe it was because if I'm just kind of speaking into the air to anyone, no one is connecting with that.
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And with any type of business right.
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Absolutely.
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Okay.
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So if somebody is listening to this and they're thinking, all right, you're talking about being unhappy with what you're doing and starting a business and doing it alongside, but they're also kind of thinking I don't know, I have all these little ideas, but I don't know how I would do any of that and I don't know what to do next and I don't know if I have time.
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Do you have any advice for those type of concerns?
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Yeah, those are very valid concerns.
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I think there are multiple options.
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First, you can hire a coach.
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Right, you can hire a coach to help you refine what you want.
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But if you don't want to hire a coach, that's fine too.
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You can start asking yourself what do I, even in your current job, like, what do I really enjoy?
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Your job, by the way, and your personal life, because maybe your side business will have nothing to do with your main job right now.
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Maybe I don't know you work in tech, but you really like gardening I.
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Maybe I don't know you work in tech, but you really like gardening, I don't know and now you want to help people build their own kind of garden.
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I'm just making something up.
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It doesn't have to be related to what you're doing.
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So I would encourage people to kind of ask themselves what they really enjoy doing.
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Even I would do it for free because I really enjoy that.
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Like, for example, for me, I started mentoring in 2017 and I did it for free.
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Like I just mentored engineering leaders and I really enjoy that.
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I felt a great sense of enjoyment and accomplishment when I was able to help someone and then, you know, eventually that led me to coaching.
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So think about, kind of, what are your gut telling you Like, what do you like doing?
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Also, ask friends what do they see in you, what qualities do they see in you?
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A lot of times we're not the best judges of ourselves, right, I mean, or maybe we don't see everything.
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Right, we're hard on ourselves.
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Yes, yeah, we're hard on ourselves, so maybe we don't see what others may see.
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True, true, true, and I like the perspective that this can kind of be easy.
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Think about it.
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What do you enjoy?
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You don't have to have a certification or anything like that right away.
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You don't have to be doing it for money right away, but bring some more of the things into your life that are good for you.
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Absolutely, and you know, I highly recommend volunteering.
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I think that giving back really opens doors to opportunities.
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This is what happened to me and I still give back.
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So, yeah, a lot of charitable organizations have found that there aren't as many people volunteering, there aren't as many people getting involved.
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So that's a great way to do it is find something that you're interested in and try Absolutely.
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Yeah, and you know I am also reach out to a lot of women.
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I talk to women, so a lot of time is just opening up yourself, right, trying to network, to meet new people, maybe going to some kind of meetups, events, just mingling with people and seeing you know what's out there, who interests you, just talking with people.
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You know what happened to me.
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I volunteer at our local ICF chapter, okay, and I we do a lot of events to our local chapter and I said, okay, you know what I can.
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I can offer several you know workshops on AI, how to use AI for marketing, because I do that for my business and I really like it.
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And I did part one so far.
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I have two more parts for that, completely for free.
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I mean we charge money a little bit just for the chapter, but for me I mean I didn't get any benefits, any financial benefits from it.
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And someone reached out to me and said I want to hire you to help me.
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And at first I thought I don't know if I even want to because it's not my main.
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But I said why not?
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Maybe that will create another stream of know if I even want to, because it's like it's not my main.
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But I said, why not Like?
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Maybe that will create another stream of income if I want to do it, if I like it.
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So you see, I mean, when you, when you just put yourself out there, you do different things, you help people, opportunities start showing up, and then you have to choose what you like and what you don't like.
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Yes, and what a nice thing to be able to choose that too.
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Yeah, yes, and what a nice thing to be able to choose that too.
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Yeah, yeah, there's power in the ability to choose.
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And let's say that this second business, whatever it is, actually does become something.
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Then you're listening now.
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Imagine that now you get to say you know what?
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I don't want to keep doing the thing I've been doing for 30 years.
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I want to do this new thing, and that's all.
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You never know, right?
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You never know.
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You know, like both of us are podcasters.
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Let's say, someone reach out to you and say, cheryl, I want to start my podcast.
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You're a pro, you're doing it for so long, help me.
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And then you'll say, well, I can help you and you'll try and help someone, even if it doesn't.
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You know, maybe some free advice, maybe something paid, and then you figure out, well, actually that's nice, I like that, so you can start.
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You know, another stream of income helping podcasters.
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You never know.
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You're absolutely right and I think this is the way that people who are sort of entrepreneurial in nature I'm doing air quotes think already.
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But I don't know that it's the way that all of us have been taught to think, to just kind of be open to these opportunities and recognize it's definitely not and there are potentially some government jobs or something where you're not supposed to be doing something else.
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But if that were the case, you would know that.
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You would know that when you were hired.
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And everybody else.
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I mean, it's quite common to be trying out other things and I think I just want this episode to kind of make, if you're listening, to make you feel empowered to just try it.
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Yeah, and I think, Cheryl, you said the right word try, you don't know.
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Try different things and see what you like, See what works If you don't try, you never know.
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And the perspective is interesting too, because when I started podcasting I felt I'm curious if you felt the same way.
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I felt like, okay, here I am just sitting here with this mic and let's see what happens.
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I didn't feel any sort of amazing, you know business person.
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I was just sitting in my house with a mic, but I noticed that people would look at me and go, wow, you have a podcast.
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Wow, it was such a perspective flip.
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Absolutely, and I think that probably when I started podcasting it was more than two years ago.
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At the beginning, you know I was okay, but we all kind of get better over time, Like if you do something again and again, and again over a long period of time, you improve, you get better.
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Absolutely true, and so I read an article once and I wish I could remember where I read this that said that a lot of times, people stay in a career or in a job or in a situation any sort of situation that they're not happy in because they really, really, really don't want to be a beginner at a new thing.
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As adults, we don't want to be a beginner, we don't want to make mistakes, we don't want to feel like we don't know everything.
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But I think if we think of it as just try, just see, maybe it takes the pressure off.
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That's an interesting perspective, I think.
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First of all, about mistakes, I would say we always make mistakes and, like, even if we're experienced, even if we do something for 20 years mistakes as part of you know.
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You know it happens.
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So if we are too afraid to make mistakes, we're not going to grow.
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About being a beginner, I think it depends, but personally, if you're curious about something and you want to learn, why not?
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I mean also, the world is evolving so much.
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For example, when AI when generative AI, you know got out two and a half years ago, everyone were a beginner.
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Yeah, like.
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I think a lot of that is related to like things evolve and change and if you're not start to learn new things and, as you said, like, become a beginner at something, you will stay behind.
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Like in podcasting right, podcasting is not new, but it was new at some point.
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And if you feel like you want to podcast, then it shouldn't stop you that you've never done that, you just need to learn.
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Absolutely agree.
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Do you have any advice on pitfalls that someone might fall into when trying to start a new thing alongside their job or how to help them avoid the usual problems that might come up?
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I think procrastination is one.
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So, because you want to start something on the side and maybe you're afraid to fail, or if you're good enough, you may procrastinate about it for too long before actually starting doing that.
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For me, for example, if you're talking about podcasting, I was procrastinating about starting a podcast for at least a year.
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I was thinking about it.
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I want to start a podcast, I was talking about it, but I didn't do it because I was afraid.
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And then you know what happened.
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I met someone and she was visiting from the US.
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She was visiting here and she told me you know what?
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I'm going to be your first guest.
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Let's do it.
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I needed a push.
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I needed a push and I say, yeah, let's do it.
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So sometimes you know, when you want to do something and you don't do it, you procrastinate about it.
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You just need some something to push you or you need to put a deadline.
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Let's say I just take the podcasting as an example.
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You want to start a podcast?
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Okay, cheryl, you're going to be my first guest.
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Let's schedule the recording, so you have already a commitment.
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I like that.
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That could apply to anything.
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Yeah, and another thing I would say perfection is the enemy of growth and especially when you're starting something out maybe you haven't done before, you haven't done it as a business then you should expect at first maybe not be the best, or you know, you will learn a lot.
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Because if you are, as you said, like being afraid to make mistakes, if you are afraid to fail, make mistakes, or you know you're never going to do it.
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So if you start something new, expect that.
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Yeah, sometimes you'll not succeed or it will not be great.
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That's okay, absolutely.
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A mentor of mine always says be minus work, be okay with B minus work.
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You don't have to get an A.
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You don't have to get an A plus, just a B minus, that's fine.
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You don't have to get an A plus, just a B minus, that's fine and I'll share another thing.
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You know this is about self-perception, right.
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A lot of times we think of ourselves as we are B minus.
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We're like I'm average, I'm not an expert Like with the AI thing that happened to me like I don't perceive myself as an AI expert by no means.
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I'm using it quite a lot.
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I know a thing or two, but I'm not an expert.
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And you know, when I did this workshop, people were blowing away oh my God, oh my God.
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So they actually saw me as an expert.
